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Insider secrets from a Forex Bank Trader

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http://www.onestepremoved.com/ Shaun Overton interviews Batur Asmazoglu from Myndos Capital. Batur traded €100 million in forex markets for Deutsche Bank and Credit Suisse and has worked for several other banks and funds for over a decade. The interview covers London trading life, how market makers operate in the forex market, algorithms and quants and trading psychology. http://youtu.be/GyFVOFbhFws
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Freq 123 (12 days ago)
Insider secrets from a youtuber pretending to be a bank trader or a fired bank trader insider.........come on.
BigBear WRX (1 month ago)
someone's signal is going off in the background. Had me thinking it was mine haha
Mike Kleinsteuber (1 month ago)
Nice info but I'd suggest you don't use a camera on auto focus, particularly when you have different areas of possible focus. Get focus and then put it on manual....
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I found it to be a lot clearer listening with my headphones on and closing my eyes as video kept going blurry
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Man, Algos aren't some magical unicorn solution for the markets. HFT has even been squeezed to its max and at this point in time has become almost unprofitable for hedge funds with the "best and brightest". (No math Phd is ever going to rule a market, btw). I'm still amazed at young people's "amazement" at how they think everything is mathematical, organized and "sane". This ain't some exact SCIENCE, it's a market with people making the decisions behind the money flow. It's a "wet science", yes, very squishy. The answers lie more in biology than math and computer science. Never going to be some magical solution because the algos are written with bias built into them. Go spend some time with a bookie to see a local "market maker" there's so much hedging going on and laying risk off to other parties, that's the key. Same with insurance and re-insurance. Market makers are more like air traffic controllers than financial wizards.
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That was my workstation, not his.
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Good interview Shaun just a bit poor sound quality, it was hard to make up what he was saying. But thanks very much man. Also, I am so tired of all these damn promotional fake people posting their predatory trading sites. So sickening. Does anyone really fall for this shit anymore
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Shane Day (2 years ago)
Great interview. Seemed honest. Suggest picking a fixed aperture for the video (F11 and above, checking light levels) to stop that dreadful Auto Focus.
Shaun Overton (2 years ago)
+Shane Day Thanks for the feedback!
Ajin vandanam (2 years ago)
Good Video
Shaun Overton (2 years ago)
+Ajin vandanam Thank you.
MK Soft (2 years ago)
thanks for the great interview......such an important video but voice quality missed out big....
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icon (6 months ago)
Shut your hole
SamBillion (2 years ago)
Bruh turn off auto focus
Adil Albert (2 years ago)
Bravo Batur really proud of you bro
l h (2 years ago)
oh my goodness... the video focus is SOOOO FUCKED UP what a waste as that guy is giving some great info for retail traders to understand what really happens in real life behind the scenes.... and shaun they dont need that fucking software you used.... they have a feeel for the orders and levels - as they watch it so often... and you can see all the orders on your book.... you only need that software as you dont see shit of the real flow.
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Shaun Overton (2 years ago)
+l h The focusing problem has already been discussed at length.
l h (2 years ago)
fix your focusing... so annoying to watch....
Cristian Micu (2 years ago)
how does he knows there is a huge stop loss at x price
Shaun Overton (2 years ago)
+Cristian Micu Because he's the center of the action. He sees all of the order flow: its direction, the buyers (and whether they're smart or stupid), the intensity of the move, etc. Most traders in that situation should have a feel where their counterparties will capitulate.
garvoi (2 years ago)
This is really insightful as well Shaun!! Love how he talks about how the banks go about taking risks!! I was wondering if you could make a video on how the FX market has changed in the last 10 years? I know for sure that in equities, the hft and algo has created so much volatility that most traders cannot adapt to taking that much more risk and have smaller or the same rewards. Can you do an interview that reveals this? For instance, has FX intraday volatility changed tremendously because of algos? Are the intraday or daily trends much more choppier now and thus making retail trader getting stopped out more and more?
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Shaun Overton (2 years ago)
+garvoi Good idea - now I just need to find the right person to interview to cover that.
Baboo FX (2 years ago)
Really appreciate you shaun for the effort...good karma
mrzipdisk (2 years ago)
Great video, but a protip is, turn off your autofocus.
Hieu Pham (3 years ago)
liar !
Shaun Overton (2 years ago)
+Hieu Pham Um?
Celtic Tiger (3 years ago)
Good video Shaun ,great info for new traders,keep up the good work!
Shaun Overton (3 years ago)
+Celtic Tiger Thanks!
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David Eagen (3 years ago)
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Raimonds Stumburs (3 years ago)
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davidsirmons (3 years ago)
Holy CRAP! 75% of banking FX deals LOSE MONEY?!? They need to hire one of the guys I learn from: they get 75% wins. Damn.
R-77 (1 year ago)
Banks create money ...they never lose
Sparks (3 years ago)
So when a Fx retail trader is clicking buy order, the broker finds a  LP or MM that match that trade what happen the LP or MM is hoping the trade will go againt the trader ? o the LP or MM sell to the trader or broker the lot of euros and the broker send them US dollar? what is all this matching about?
Baboo FX (2 years ago)
+DanySparks ..Most of retail traders orders dont make it to the real market as the broker internalizes the risk...
Sparks (3 years ago)
+Shaun Overton Ok thanks …  I am more confused now lol… So broker said they are full ENC or STP, but the large institution they are tie to do have interested on your trades…specially want u to lose :/  So this translate into your broker have NO interested what so ever on the other side of the trades but the LP or MM does?  So is full unfair game because retail trader is competing with big a bank that trades billions in a nutshell…   So when he saying   he buys dollars from the hedge funds? What is going on there?  He is selling the based currency for real or just a virtual transaction?   The institution that provides liquidity to the broker’s clients do wants more that the spread?  My conception was they’re just were  there for the spread and trying as much as possible to buy  and sell currencies and matching buyers and sellers …. I thought those Investment banks   (LP or MM) work more like exchange  or like any other banks sell and buying currencies  No just there waiting the entry price move against the trader and his/her position get stop out or manual close by the trader. 
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awsl (3 years ago)
Can you redo the interview, the audio quality is somewhat poor. 
Arley (4 years ago)
sound is bad
Jon K (4 years ago)
Focus!
JohnnyRivers (4 years ago)
Great video, thanks for posting!
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Shaun Overton (4 years ago)
Glad you liked it.
THERESAPARTYINMYHEAD (4 years ago)
Autofocus FTL
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Andrew Wilkes (4 years ago)
After listening to this 2 times. I am still unclear as to how the market maker moves the price in response to order flow. I wish it was crystal clear. In particular, I didn't get the part about hedge funds setting stops around 100 pips away and how this influences the mindset of the MM.
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Shaun Overton (4 years ago)
If your were selling oranges and you noticed an unusual number of people wanting o buy oranges, what would you do? Raise the price! Market makers do the same thing.
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Motto (3 years ago)
+FreeForexRobot That is shit, if robot works, why do we need traders?? Robots are as good as flicking coin.
Julian Brancaccio (4 years ago)
Hi Shaun, does Batur teach?
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Brian Lavelle (4 years ago)
it does not play for me
pikiwiki (4 years ago)
"obviously, Batur is not a common name...'. Not in America, for sure
Shaun Overton (4 years ago)
Batur is from Istanbul, Turkey, which is where we did the interview.
piloot (4 years ago)
13:17 WTF....
ismsons (4 years ago)
AUDIO IS BAD
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Nigel Price (4 years ago)
Good interview. 
David G. (4 years ago)
ASK THE BANK TRADER TO SHOW YOU HIS OWN ACCOUNT STATEMENT....HE WILL NOT...ASK ANY OF THESE GUYS SELLING THEIR BULLSHIT TO SHOW YOU THEIR ACCOUNT STATEMENTS....I WILL SHOW MINE....HA
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Ty Perdon (4 years ago)
Audio sucks ass
megatrade101 (4 years ago)
Great info sharing..a lot of traders should take the lead from your transparent interviews such as this to have the right orientation in trading the currency market. Great job! 
chatforex (4 years ago)
lol
seveno1 (4 years ago)
Most banking software is written in java and c# - invented in late 90s and early 2000's ?
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Shaun Overton (4 years ago)
Thanks for subscribing!
chess747 (4 years ago)
I can guarantee your stuffed if your a retail trader like me your over %88 against you and internet quant speed I would like to take a so called expert bank FX trader give them $1000 bank and a standard fx account and make money long term over a year and the banks ect take a heavy position and smash the retail traders stops and make the market move in there favour and for a long time now you are also competing against state of the art computer performing a quant speeds siphoning cents in the dollar over a million times a day competing against you and there competitors and countries in a unregulated market that's so corrupt.So tell me you could flip a coin to choose your buys or sells and make more money than whatever forex system you have...sorry but this is the truth.
chess747 so are you still trading now a day?
MrFourkinghell (4 years ago)
Absolutely correct. Retail accounts are there to be smashed over and over again. That's why you see so many courses for beginners.The markets needs fresh suckers.
Jay Norris (4 years ago)
great stuff guys! it was the same on the trading floors. everyone wants to think it's sophisticated but it ain't...
sean magnuson (4 years ago)
lots of shit talking and immature jokes from my experience!
SeiNj (4 years ago)
Thanks, this made things a little more clear. But I still don't understand if I play 100 lots and make 500 pips over-time, who is giving me $500k ? Last time I heard banks aren't the giving type of people. And from what I've read banks are the liquidity providers of the market (whatever that means)
Magno (4 years ago)
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FxTrader (4 years ago)
+FxTrader 5 bucks euro = 5 Million EURUSD 
FxTrader (4 years ago)
I work for an Investment Bank and I'm a quant on the FX desk. We're a market maker and pretty much all banks are anyways how it works is we receive a client deal for let's say buy 5 bucks euro and  what happens is we have a hedging algorithm that hedges off that deal with our liquidity providers. You gotta understand that the quote you get dealt on is not the price that we receive from our LP we add a spread plus what we call a margin of safety, and margin of safety is there to ensure that we can go back into the market and still hedge our position before it starts going against us. Obviously we do incur some losses occasionally thou because sometimes we in fact get slipped from our LP's because there's not enough liquidity at a level. And yes we do fill in our big clients at losses occasionally to win their business. The statement regarding your profit is the bank's loss and vice versa is not fully correct. Yes we occasionally do loose because we get slipped when we're trying to hedge off the position with our LP but most of the time we hedge off the position and take our spread on the deal and that's it we don't care whether your position wins or looses. Now, for your second question regarding us taking special measures against a trader is who is profitable...part of my job is to run analysis on our client deals and when I identify that there's a particular client who's in the money a lot then some of our traders will take prop trades with you it really all depends I can't get into too much detail of exactly what we do but we're not out to get you, yes we're trying to make money but we rely mostly on commissions and trades that we take. Hope that clears things up a bit. +korvix +Shaun Overton 
Shaun Overton (4 years ago)
Right. The banks care about the net result. One person winning - even to the tune of half a million dollars, doesn't massively affect their bottom line. Thank, +piehamcake1 
sean magnuson (4 years ago)
+korvix you also have to understand that 85% of retail traders lose money, so whatever everybody says do the oppisite, because the banks are competing with the ''masses'' so to speak
Bob Paterson (4 years ago)
shaun how do I get with you Bob (813) 362-8456
Shaun Overton (4 years ago)
You can visit my web site onestepremoved. I'll try calling you later today.
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Dan Gee (4 years ago)
the fuck?
Shawn Harris (4 years ago)
Shaun great interview buddy! Being a forex trader myself I learned a lot of nuggets:)
Shaun Overton (4 years ago)
Thanks for the encouragement.
Itu M (4 years ago)
So banks and hedge funds do use algos but still have somewhat of a human interaction with them.This is quite interesting. It's just that algos suck when the fundamentals kick in.  Seems like there is bit of a balance going on here. The content was def eye opening. Only one thing...Please invest in a microphone. 
Shaun Overton (4 years ago)
No offense taken! The video got a lot of traffic and everyone has the same valuable feedback - I need to up the production quality. I can't argue with good advice.
Itu M (4 years ago)
+Shaun Overton Sorry about that. Was not intending to be a jerk about it.  But there is one person that I would love to see your perspective on. Her name is Shirley and she trades the London Close and has incredible accuracy of 93%.  I love the trading community but one thing I dislike is when others tell people what they can't do just because they couldn't do it.  But to get back on track if you don't mind please check that out and give us your honest opinion on the strategy. She rarely loses and actually proves her trades. 93% accurate.  Her name is Shirley Hudson and system is called the London Close Strategy. Please let me know what you think.  Thanks. Keep the interviews coming. Maybe they can be the next interview! Again sorry to be a jerk about the mic. Also if you want to get rid of the autofocus blurs set it to manual focus and you should be good. 
Shaun Overton (4 years ago)
I'm glad you found the video useful. New mics were purchased several months ago.
Jiabin Chen (4 years ago)
the most useful forex related video I've ever watched! Great job, shaun
Jiabin Chen (4 years ago)
+Shaun Overton hey shaun. are you trading forex as well? 
Shaun Overton (4 years ago)
I can't ask for more enthusiastic feedback than that. Many thanks!
Peter Mensing (4 years ago)
Thanks much for an extremely informative video posting. Seems like Mr. Asmazoglu's simplified aspects and methods to indicate changes seem to hold an overall level of accuracy enough to consider his thoughts in trades. Of course, it's always less nerve racking when the buys and sells are done with money of your employer rather than your own stack. Oh,  and your camera. You might want to focus the setting once, and then toggle off that auto focus function. Haha. Seems like that feature was constantly just not happy enough with its own results.  Great video, Thanks again!
Shaun Overton (4 years ago)
Thanks Peter! I'm glad that you enjoyed the interview in spite of the autofocus issues.
Den Murakami (5 years ago)
Thanks for sharing
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Shaun Overton (5 years ago)
Hey deals with all products in forex, but he primarily trades spot fx.
smayer97 (5 years ago)
Very informative but one thing that is not stipulated is what segment of the FOREX Batur deals with. Is the SPOT FOREX? You know that there are also Foreign Exchange swaps, Outright Forwards, Options and other products, and Currency swaps. Please confirm.
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