The Gigabyte Aero 15x is an excellent laptop overall, however in my benchmarking I did notice some thermal throttling with a combined CPU and GPU load such as while gaming. I’m going to attempt to improve the laptop performance by undervolting the Intel i7-8750H CPU to try and get the CPU cores running at full speed while gaming, and lower the temperatures to something cooler.
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+priv1leged awesome! My guess is because it would probably take too much time to tune them, and could cause issues long term, well not cause issues, but it might be like overclocking, in that if you run a good overclock for a year over time as things degrade you start needing more power to keep the same overclock or otherwise have to use lower speed. As each CPU is different, over time if maybe it runs too hot or what ever workloads it's exposed to, maybe it starts needing more and more power to work properly, so an undervolt that's fine to day may be unstable in the future. I'm just guessing right now, probably need more long term research done on this haha
+Jarrod'sTech almost unnoticable fan noise while gaming on ULTRA settings. i dont understand why manufacturers dont implement automatic undervolting algos in their drivers. This goes especially for GPU manufacturers
Great review Jarred. It convinced me to finally get one of those myself with a RAM, WIFI and SSD upgrade. I havent modified any hardware yet and the benchmarks show that the performance is there with results even better than yours. One thing that still puzzles me is, that my GPU voltage never goes above 0.8V (GPU-Z / Afterburner) which doesnt seem right. Also my GPU doesnt boost as high as yours in the videos, even when overclocker +175 (above it gets unstable). Whats your maximum voltage on the GPU under load?
No problem! I honestly haven't really ever compared it, I can grab that info from any other recent laptop I've tested this year if you need it just let me know. Trying to think of another 1070 Max-Q laptop I've tested but none coming to mind.. Oh the Razer Blade! 0.678V average on that one in gaming mode (overclocks the GPU a little), also 0.678V while playing PUBG at stock. In the Heaven benchmark only with no CPU load at stock, 0.720V, then 0.708V in gaming mode (actually if I recall now I think gaming mode also applied a little undervolt), so I guess that's two I've tested that didn't get anywhere near 1V. Checking a non Max-Q laptop with 1070 like the Zephyrus M, with an overclock under CPU stress test it gets to 0.920V.
Oh actually I checked the data I had from this video, I have a screenshot of Hardware Info from my stress test with the fan maxed out, after 33 minuntes the average GPU core voltage was 0.747V, peaking at 0.825V over that time with the Heaven benchmark running, lowest recorded was 0.681V.
Same here. I am all set for the full liquid metal treatment, hardware upgrade and the lot. I just want to make sure Ive got a good unit and here in Germany I can return or exchange it in the first 14 days with no questions asked. The 0.8V and the resulting Power Limit indication is puzzling me. I cant draw a voltage curve in Afterburner as the curve only starts at 0.8V and goes up from there. To my knowledge it should go up to 1.062V. Looking forward to your upgrade video!
Thanks! Not sure about the voltage when I tested in this video, as I sent this review unit back to Gigabyte shortly after the video. I did recently get my own Aero 15X though, I just bought some new thermal paste, RAM, and an SSD, I'm going to do an Aero 15X upgrade video soon with some before/after results 😁 so can look there.
It's just how I talk, maybe also part of the Australian accent, some people from other countries really hate it but sounds the same to most of the other Australian guys on YouTube lol. Anyway cool hope you like it in 144hz 👍
It would depend on how much of the CPU is in use during the process, maybe not so much in editing, but during exporting the video it would likely help as that would be using all cores with high levels of load.
No, I have only tested that a couple of times and didn't find it to make anywhere near enough difference to be worthwhile trying in future videos. That said I have my own Aero now so could do further testing.
The laptop came with 1x16 RAM stick. Did you use that stock RAM or turned to 2x8 GB sticks for those benchmarks? Since you own the laptop right now, I want to know everything from you. Did you experience BSODs with the preinstalled Windows OS and clean installed a newer version ISO? Do you get random BSODs during work or gameplay? Are the temps better/worse compared to gs65 stealth thin? This is literally all I want to know before I purchase. BTW, where can I get another 16 GB stick to enable duaL channel? Any link you know? Thanks in advance. :))
+Jarrod'sTech How is the backlight bleed on your unit? Terrible? Horrific? Scary? The discussions on Reddit are destroying my brain right now. Whenever I am about to pull pull the plug, sth bad bumps up. 😔
Hey,! This review unit had a single stick in dual channel. For my new aero I have bought 2x 16gb sticks so will have some dual channel benchmarks soon. no bsod for me yet, I fresh installed windows from a downloaded ISO from Microsoft. I compare the temps with the gs65 in my aero vs gs65 video, can't link just now as I'm on my phone in another country lol, but just search the channel videos should come up. I couldn't find another 16gb stick of v-color memory so I'll try sell it and just bought a new 2x kit of officially supported g.skill
+Jarrod'sTech yeah the fan was in gaming mode.. am not gaming on my lap but it's just a concern for the long run. I won't try repasting now as it will void my warranty. Looks like it is using the undervolting to increase fps instead of going down in temp.
Have you boosted the fans? Next steps would be a cooling pad or replacing the thermal paste, assuming you want to try and lower it. If you're not throttling though no real point unless it's making the laptop too hot to touch or something.
Many thanks for your vedio, is there any test for CPU only? I'm wondering if all cores could hit 3.9GHZ, it would be a huge improvement for something like compiling code, compressing files?
And one more question, is there any way to make balanced power plan go past 2.69GHZ?
I did the same thing, if I choose use the balanced power plan to create the custom one, it will hit 2.68GHz. If I choose to use high performance power plane to create custom one, cpu will be locked to 4GHz all the time, I'm finding some settings let it could be ranged from 0.8GHz to 4GHz. Thanks in advance.
Personally the Aero, much cheaper and available with similar specs, but importantly for me also has an SD slot which I need for editing video, also has slightly better battery. I'm hoping to do a comparison video between the two showing full differences soon
Not sure, less than a minute, it's not something I've ever bothered measuring as pretty much all modern laptops with an SSD are pretty quick, and for the most part you don't often boot up anyway so it's not something I compare.
Have you tried to undervolt the CPU? That should help with both of those issues. I've only seen current limit throttling while running off battery power, I assume you're plugged in while doing this testing, or are you running on battery? Or if plugged in is the laptop at 100% charge or is it also charging?
My Clevo i7-8750H/GTX 1070 was running super hot with Project Cars 2, which is very CPU intensive game.Finally ended up with -0.128V/ x25 multiplier/77degress CPU/72 degrees GPU/ 64% CPU util/3.44GHz under full game load. Speed Shift 0. Averaging around 112FPS with Hi in game settings 1080P (I used Throttle Stop, starts up auto with Task Scheduler)
i have dell g5 with i7 and i've made the undervolting, Thermal throttling has gone, but tdp drops down from 45W to 15W periodicaly espesially when the CPU and GPU work together, do you know why is this happening and how to fix that?
I left my full load stress tests going for hours to get the information shown in my G5 review. I didn't actually check the TDP levels, but my clock speeds are higher than what you report, although only directly comparable if you also run the Heaven benchmark and Aida64 at the same time, as that's what I was running.
you didnt test it for a long enough time or you didnt give it a full load for both CPU and GPU cos here is a chiniese gets the same thing as i do. Check it out: https://youtu.be/OgxKf1C8EAE?t=678 Watch the "package" line closely, it drops to 15w
Yeah I ran a stress test with Aida64 and the Heaven benchmark at the same time in my G5 review video, I had power limit throttling like you have there but the TDP wasn't quite that low and my clock speeds were still in the 3GHz range, so not really sure why that's the case. What wattage power brick are you using? I wonder if it is lower than mind or something and it can't get enough power. Can't really think of what else would fix it, maybe a BIOS update if there was a bug causing this in an older one?
Hmm that's strange, perhaps you were hitting some kind of throttling like power limit before the undervolting and now that's a bit less of an issue, did you run and before and after benchmarks to see if the performance improved? Temperatures may not always improve from undervolting but performance will if you were reaching the power limit which happens in most 8750h laptops
Do you also recommend Undervolting the GPU for that matter?. My CPU and GPU temps are quite decent (As mentioned in a previous comment to you: -95 Mv on the CPU max to still stay stable). CPU around 68-75 degrees. My GPU hits 80/81 degrees max and stays around that. Not too hot of course but I wonder if it's worth it to also do a GPU undervolt to make it even cooler :)
Some people have said that it is good, but in my limited testing I saw no difference so I stopped testing it, maybe I just do it wrong not sure! In any case with all the 8th gen laptops I've tested the CPU is always the limiting factor in terms of thermal/power limit throttling, GPU has always been quite a bit cooler in comparison, interestingly sounds like yours is the opposite though so yeah I guess could be wroth at least trying it out.
Just tried undervolting my Aero 15. Started at -0.150. Worked. But...Unplugged the power to see what it was like on battery. Aero froze up. Tried again at -0.100. Pulled cable out to test battery power. Mouse cursor started jumping all over the place and stuttering. Reset to defaults and now everything is back to normal. Is there something i’m doing wrong or are you simply never meant to run the lappy on battery if you’ve undervolted?
Hmm perhaps, maybe the power profile performs some sort of undervolt itself so that the CPU uses less power which could conflict with your settings, just my best guess though, I suppose you could look at only undervolting while plugged in / doing CPU intensive work if you need it, although I guess that's a bit of a hassle to have to change it.
Jarrod'sTech Thx for the quick reply 😀 I deleted the intel software because it scared me a little with the freezes lol. I’ve only had the laptop for 2 days. I may install it again and try lower numbers. Could it be something to do with having my laptop on power saving in power options when running on battery?
Hmm it should still be ok on battery if it's stable, I haven't tested that many laptops on battery while undervolted though, I think I didn't try it for the first time until the Aorus X5 review which was after I had the Aero, I did some battery life testing with it to see the differences and had no issue there so not really sure to be honest, what if you keep lowering it?
Not that I'm aware of, assuming you've got it stable. The only problem of the components not receiving enough power is that programs will crash or Windows will blue screen, but if that happens it will just restart with the undervolt disabled, so as long as you've set it and it's at a stable value it should be fine.
Jarrod'sTech thanks.i wasn't sure.seems brands are following razer and getting thinner and getting more boxy.me?
I prefer a heavier bulkier tried and true way like my old asus g752vt.best thermals I've ever had in a laptop.
So...how about that new alienware laptop that cameout.i heard it's a rice cooker.lolololololololol
I haven't had that one for testing yet so not currently sure, I suspect it would be similar though as it's basically the same just with 1060 graphics right? Maybe a bit cooler due to the shared heat pipe.
I used HWInfo to see the clock speeds of all cores, I think XTU (sounds like that's what you're using) only shows the peak reached in recent maximum? I also used the Aida64 stress test which is probably a different workload than the XTU stress test. Anyway I just made a new power plan, I think I based it on high performance, I don't think it really matters as long as you're making a new power plan.
What clock speeds does it get to? I noticed that in the beginning mine never passed 2.7GHz on all cores with a stress test going no matter what. I found that I was able to remove this by creating a new custom power plan in Windows, so I think out of the box there is some limitation in place from Gigabyte in the software. I didn't check the temps while this happened but this would be my best guess.
Strange, I've got 10 degrees lower with undervolt, default voltage is 1050mV, I've set it to 875mV. But this is for desktop GTX 1060, not sure if this actually working with notebooks. Maybe nvidia already did maximum undervolt for this thin laptops...
What is default voltage of GPU and what voltage/freqency combo you have tried?
Mine default is 1050mV with 1860Mhz.
Undervolted version runs at: 875mV and same 1860Mhz.
Yeah I've since tried it in a couple of laptops but I didn't find it to make any difference there, so I don't think I'll be including it in future reviews going forward. Maybe I'm just doing it wrong, but I spent an hour modifying things and following different guides but didn't get any temperature difference, whereas CPU undervolting was much more effective and easier, at least in my opinion.
I didn't do a dedicated video on it, but I did talk about the thermal performance and game performance improvements by undervolting in my full review video of the GS65 here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVC5M1Tue_k
I talk about it a bit towards the end, it would probably help, but it's not something I can test myself as I've got to send the review unit back as is, otherwise the next person will report incorrect results.
Got my CPU undervolted for a while now, really helped with those temps. But I used ThrottleStop.
Awesome vid, as always!
Every video you make is very well prepped and every word in the video is there, because it needs to be. No bs, no long-ass intros, unnecessary blabber and annoying self-advertising. Only USEFUL. TECH. INFO., brought to us in a professional manner. Thumbs up!
Thanks! That's what I go for 😁 sometimes though it does mean the videos can be quite long (especially the most recent laptop reviews I've done), but most of the time when I think of what can be cut there's nothing as it all seems to be important information that I'd want to know if I was going to be buying the laptop myself. A few people have mentioned Throttlestop, I'll check it out, cheers!
Luke Luke this is actually very strange, as usually cpu+gpu undervolting does help. I haven't yet seen any laptops where both were applied and throttling was still observed, because cpu temps also greately depend on gpu, as both heat each other up in Aero 15x.
So I guess yeah - try choosing a better thermal compound. Grizzly one is great, and Arktic mx-4 is also pretty good.
TabalugaDragon Yes. And btw undervolting the gpu doesn't really help because the gpus temps are fine but the cpu is too much. I have the Aero 15X, I had HIDevolution repaste for me, I told them about the temps they said these temps are normal with the repaste I chose. I guess I should've chosen a better thermal compound, I will get a laptop cooler and see if things improve
wait so you undervolted the GPU(using MSI afterburner) as well and still get thermal throttling and 90 degrees C temps? which laptop do you have?
and if you still get thermal throttling, I suggest you to repaste it, carefully of course
TabalugaDragon Well it's been a disappointment for me and a lot of users on Reddit. I've had it repasted undervolted -0.155mV on everything and even tuned custom fan curve to maximum, temps still hit 90C when playing PUBG and R6 :/ I guess I'll have to resort to getting a laptop cooler.
Unfortunately it's not something I can do, as it's a review unit I don't want to modify the stock paste, as the next person that gets it will report incorrect results. I didn't do anything except drop the voltage in Intel XTU.
You should be able to buy it with 4k, if that's not currently available for you to buy I am not sure when it will be, I don't have any information about that. If you mean me doing a video on the 4K model then I don't have any plans to get one in for testing as it will otherwise be the same.
I've been undervolting 6700K laptops for years (and all desktops) by about -150mV shaving as much off full load temps as a liquid metal delid. Or, there's that much extra voltage applied at stock to run 4.6ghz (+15% OC) perfectly stable! The 1080s undervolt too but that is more complex to achieve and test with the curve in Afterburner.
no, i've done a lot of mistakes. Biggest mistake was a too old Windows 10 installation media to recover my system, because versions before 1803 do not include a NVMe driver. After typing bootrec /fixboot and /fixmbr in the console from this installation media the SSD disappeared completely from BIOS :)
I've already sent the laptop back so I can't do any further testing, however I plan on including that in future videos to easily demonstrate differences if there's CPU throttling, in the Aorus X5 v8 with 8850H I was able to improve Cinebench score by about 150 points by undervolting, but more on that in the review 😃
Bewolf Zr I didnt had this issue yet, I can run Star Citizen on it and the fan is not fully spinning at 100% load, although to be fair I was lucky with the silicon and can undervolt CPU and gpu very well. When I try the same with stock settings the fans run at full speed and are very loud.
It's a pity you didn't undervolt the GPU using MSi Afterburner via setting a custom curve. I have the MSi GE63VR and @0.9v the 1070 boosts to 1900Mhz stable recording 75'C maximum. The CPU is undervolted -125v using Throttlestop and reaches a maximum of 82'C in certain games but usually is in the mid 70's. This is with fans set to Auto.
I was just trying to fix the thermal throttling I noted on the CPU in the review video, and this seemed to do the job. That probably would have cooled the GPU a bit more, however it was still running quite well even with an overclock, no complaints.
Some people doesnt know how to use a gaming laptop, first of all the fans need to breed, so putt a book or something to raise the back so can the air flow it wont get too hot and wont throttle... And never putt cpu at 100 perfomance, putt at 85/90...
There is also the benefit of lower fan activity... In the case of my OMEN 17 the undervolt actually helped with the fan noise as I can play now with no nasty fan noise unless the game is extremely demanding... A particular game that was improved in this regard is MGS5 as the fan noise is barely heard over the speakers which makes the speakers actually useable while gaming.
you should have undervolt your GPU as well with the control of the voltage curve (Ctrl. + F) in Afterburner like with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeQUs4Wtyfs you experience even 10 c or more of difference as also you can play with the power profiles of your pc
Yeah probably could have helped, however the goal was just to eliminate the thermal throttling on the CPU that I mentioned in my review to show that it could be improved/fixed, I wasn't after the best temperatures 😁
I haven't had any luck getting in contact with anyone at HP, however I did talk to someone from AMD a while ago about getting one of those, I've been meaning to follow up on it just too busy with the amount of other stuff I already have to make videos on first 😛
Final Fantasy XIV Online (running at 3440x1440p on an external monitor using maximum settings): From 2.8GHz (average) and 54fps (average) in busy housing areas to 60-70fps (average) and 3.9GHz (average) in the same locations... not bad.
My particular unit didn't like the -0.160V though (my screen flickered randomly, not a good sign usually), but -0.150V worked nicely and stable throughout a 2 hour stress test, followed straight by a practical gaming test of 3 hours (its my day off, yay).
I really hope you will keep your promise and make undervolting tests a fixed part of all your future notebook reviews.
As we can see, some devices like this one take to it really nicely in a very visible fashion.
Jarrod'sTech No, haven't bought one yet, but many users have reported it since the last bios update. Some users say that it seems like the review units have been cherry picked when compared to the regular products in terms of stability and light bleed issues. I enjoyed your video though 🙂
Yeah, I didn't bother with that here as the temps were ok and performance fine even while overclocked, the main concern was the CPU temperatures as I wanted to address the throttling that was mentioned in the full review 😀
i have a prtty interesting point, i have a core i5 8250u and ive pushed the power limit from 30W to 80W and now ive beat 7700hq performance on cinebench, 650 to 760 points. Now pushing to the limit it uses 38W more 8 W than before and i didnt saw any termal thr. running at 89C in combined test
Nice! How much extra difference did you find undervolting the GPU to make? I didn't bother trying as I was trying to address the CPU throttling issues noted in the full review video so just left it once I was happy
Anyone who has the Aero 15X V8 should also get a laptop pad with decent fans. It really makes a difference since the intake on the bottom has no breathing room to pull in enough air. My CPU temps dropped from 60 idle to the mid 40s and to the high 70s to mid 80s in game (vs 90-93).
Yeah that would help, I noticed nice improvement just taking the laptop up off the desk, I want to buy a few different cooling pads and compare them and possibly add this testing into future reviews in the future
16K subs! Awesome Jarrod! Good info. Funny how undervolting to get better performance seems counter intuitive. Temperatures and thermal throttling makes sense, but those gains are quite large. Plus the battery life.
(Only if you are able to get a stock unit, as you said, you cant use a review umit for this for x reasons) A combination of undervolting and replacement of intel's stock tim with liquid metal could give incredible results. Could you try it in another video? (Undervolt it less so you have more voltage to increase frequency more, and as you use liquid metal the heat transfer will be better and end up with a better (heat + voltage/performance))
EDIT: Dont really know if you can change the chips frequency, maybe you can change the bus frequency
As mentioned in the video this is something I can't test in review units like this, as I send them back to the company afterwards. They then send the laptop out to another reviewer, so if I swap the paste the next review may report that everything is all good when that was not actually the case, but actually a result of the paste change. If I end up buying one for myself I might look into that though.
In case anyone runs into the XTU bug (like I did) where the the UV would reset to 0 after sleep/restart, try Throttlestop. You can set it up to start with Windows in Task Scheduler. No need to open/restart anything any longer. It supports multiple profiles (for A/C and battery) too.
Can you please show us that is it possible to connect non-gsync laptop to gsync monitor(preferably msi laptop)?
Interesting thing to review for you also as there are (almost) no review for this kind of thing on YouTube.
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